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		<title>By: Stefan Richter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Richter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 10:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,
it&#039;s been a while but here I am again :-) This topic is not going away. 

Our 3 year old daughter Annika (to be 4 in June) is about to start school this year in September. We are still in two minds about whether or not to accept the school place this year. In a way we don&#039;t care what anyone would say, we know we do not have to send her until the term after she turns five, and that happens to be the beginning of the next school year.

I have yet to find any legislation or legal basis for the smoke screen that some authorities and schools seem to put up saying that if you delay until the next school year your child has to miss a year&#039;s education and go straight into year 1. 

On a more positive note, I have spoken to our Local Admissions authority who said that if we wished to delay school start for a year they would not be in our way as long as parents and school are happy with that. However the label of &#039;low flyer&#039; was mentioned which infuriated me somewhat. 

I could go on. I think we should all pitch in with some funds and get some legal advice on the situation. The fact that schools and authorities have &#039;always done it that way&#039; does not mean it&#039;s right or they are even allowed to do so. 
Britta, email me.

I don&#039;t think anyone has really mounted a challenge. I&#039;ll keep you all posted - we may well pull Annika out of this year&#039;s school year before she has started and try and delay her for a year - but only if we have guarantees that she can start in foundation, as normal, next year (by which time she will no doubt be ready for school). If we do so I make sure to report on progress. 
As for our youngest daughter Louisa (born 26th August and due to start school in 2 years days after her 4th birthday): there is no way we will send her to school that young. No way. 

stefan@muchosmedia.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
it&#8217;s been a while but here I am again <img src='http://www.parentsoutloud.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  This topic is not going away. </p>
<p>Our 3 year old daughter Annika (to be 4 in June) is about to start school this year in September. We are still in two minds about whether or not to accept the school place this year. In a way we don&#8217;t care what anyone would say, we know we do not have to send her until the term after she turns five, and that happens to be the beginning of the next school year.</p>
<p>I have yet to find any legislation or legal basis for the smoke screen that some authorities and schools seem to put up saying that if you delay until the next school year your child has to miss a year&#8217;s education and go straight into year 1. </p>
<p>On a more positive note, I have spoken to our Local Admissions authority who said that if we wished to delay school start for a year they would not be in our way as long as parents and school are happy with that. However the label of &#8216;low flyer&#8217; was mentioned which infuriated me somewhat. </p>
<p>I could go on. I think we should all pitch in with some funds and get some legal advice on the situation. The fact that schools and authorities have &#8216;always done it that way&#8217; does not mean it&#8217;s right or they are even allowed to do so.<br />
Britta, email me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone has really mounted a challenge. I&#8217;ll keep you all posted &#8211; we may well pull Annika out of this year&#8217;s school year before she has started and try and delay her for a year &#8211; but only if we have guarantees that she can start in foundation, as normal, next year (by which time she will no doubt be ready for school). If we do so I make sure to report on progress.<br />
As for our youngest daughter Louisa (born 26th August and due to start school in 2 years days after her 4th birthday): there is no way we will send her to school that young. No way. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:stefan@muchosmedia.com">stefan@muchosmedia.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Britta Kristensen</title>
		<link>http://www.parentsoutloud.com/school-starting-age/comment-page-1/#comment-1654</link>
		<dc:creator>Britta Kristensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds great, Margaret. With the way the coalition likes to talk about giving parents and children choices when it comes to education... Quite a part from the question of what I believe is best for my child, I really object to the way that my authority as a parent just becomes completely overruled - not by a good argument (show me any evidence that says it will damage my son or anybody else if he starts reception class when he is 5 and we&#039;ll talk) - but by a consideration for birth-dates rather than children. It&#039;s absolutely infuriating!

Britta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds great, Margaret. With the way the coalition likes to talk about giving parents and children choices when it comes to education&#8230; Quite a part from the question of what I believe is best for my child, I really object to the way that my authority as a parent just becomes completely overruled &#8211; not by a good argument (show me any evidence that says it will damage my son or anybody else if he starts reception class when he is 5 and we&#8217;ll talk) &#8211; but by a consideration for birth-dates rather than children. It&#8217;s absolutely infuriating!</p>
<p>Britta</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need to send these comment to Mr Gove and hope he is prepared to have a conversation with parentsoutloud and undersatnd how strong some parents feelings on on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need to send these comment to Mr Gove and hope he is prepared to have a conversation with parentsoutloud and undersatnd how strong some parents feelings on on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Britta Kristensen</title>
		<link>http://www.parentsoutloud.com/school-starting-age/comment-page-1/#comment-1651</link>
		<dc:creator>Britta Kristensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan - I think I have been looking for you! I am very much up for mounting a challenge, a campaign, generally screaming and shouting, crying on national TV, even climbing onto public buildings wearing silly outfits... in short whatever it takes for my now 2 year old not to have to start school a week after his 4th birthday. So what&#039;s next?

Britta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan &#8211; I think I have been looking for you! I am very much up for mounting a challenge, a campaign, generally screaming and shouting, crying on national TV, even climbing onto public buildings wearing silly outfits&#8230; in short whatever it takes for my now 2 year old not to have to start school a week after his 4th birthday. So what&#8217;s next?</p>
<p>Britta</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi my little girl is a may baby and had to start school part time in sept 2010, i want to keep her part time but the school want her in mon wed fri all day and tues and thurs part time, i am now leaving her heart broken at school, i feel bullied and very upset, and i am 44 i can only guess how my 4 year old feels.   reading what you have said i can insist on keeping her part time and if she is too tired keeping her casual until next sept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi my little girl is a may baby and had to start school part time in sept 2010, i want to keep her part time but the school want her in mon wed fri all day and tues and thurs part time, i am now leaving her heart broken at school, i feel bullied and very upset, and i am 44 i can only guess how my 4 year old feels.   reading what you have said i can insist on keeping her part time and if she is too tired keeping her casual until next sept.</p>
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		<title>By: helen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My summer born boy had his first day at school yesterday 4/1/11. I delayed his start from September because he was not ready then- although my decision did annoy the school. They would have much preferred me to toe the line and send him in September and said he would lose his place in the school if he did not start in Jan.
I could not find any information to show the school  what Kerrie had said about children being able to start at any time within the school year. However I have now received a reply from Michael Gove, Secretary of State for Education, which does clarify this and I thought it might be helpful to write it here for others to quote if they wish.

In the letter it states
&quot;We will require all admissions authorities to offer a full time place from the September after a 4th birthday- but admission authorities must also continue to allow parents of children who are admitted to school before they are of compulsory school age to defer their child&#039;s entry until later in the school year. Please note that later in the school year could be the day before the school year ends, although it is best for children to start at the beginning of a school term to minimise disruption. Where admission is deferred, admission authorities must hold the place for that child in the same school year and not offer it to another child.&quot;

This gets round the blackmail aspect of &quot;if you don&#039;t start you will lose the school place&quot; but of course does not resolve the fact that they will always be the youngest children in the class. I strongly feel that ,as in Scotland, they should be allowed to defer and start in reception the following year. I have agonised over this topic for over a year and feel I have failed my son by not managing to change the system! However I do also feel that he is much better equipped for school now than he was in September and I am glad I delayed his place.A lot of parents have said to me that they were not aware that it was possible to do this.

Kerrie, what did you end up doing?
Stefan, I agree that the system is flawed and I am going to continue to &quot;discuss&quot; this with our local education authority despite the fact that my son has started school.

sorry this has been so long! Helen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My summer born boy had his first day at school yesterday 4/1/11. I delayed his start from September because he was not ready then- although my decision did annoy the school. They would have much preferred me to toe the line and send him in September and said he would lose his place in the school if he did not start in Jan.<br />
I could not find any information to show the school  what Kerrie had said about children being able to start at any time within the school year. However I have now received a reply from Michael Gove, Secretary of State for Education, which does clarify this and I thought it might be helpful to write it here for others to quote if they wish.</p>
<p>In the letter it states<br />
&#8220;We will require all admissions authorities to offer a full time place from the September after a 4th birthday- but admission authorities must also continue to allow parents of children who are admitted to school before they are of compulsory school age to defer their child&#8217;s entry until later in the school year. Please note that later in the school year could be the day before the school year ends, although it is best for children to start at the beginning of a school term to minimise disruption. Where admission is deferred, admission authorities must hold the place for that child in the same school year and not offer it to another child.&#8221;</p>
<p>This gets round the blackmail aspect of &#8220;if you don&#8217;t start you will lose the school place&#8221; but of course does not resolve the fact that they will always be the youngest children in the class. I strongly feel that ,as in Scotland, they should be allowed to defer and start in reception the following year. I have agonised over this topic for over a year and feel I have failed my son by not managing to change the system! However I do also feel that he is much better equipped for school now than he was in September and I am glad I delayed his place.A lot of parents have said to me that they were not aware that it was possible to do this.</p>
<p>Kerrie, what did you end up doing?<br />
Stefan, I agree that the system is flawed and I am going to continue to &#8220;discuss&#8221; this with our local education authority despite the fact that my son has started school.</p>
<p>sorry this has been so long! Helen</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Richter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Richter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, Kerrie&#039;s advice is spot on. However I don&#039;t think the apparent &#039;allowances&#039; of being able to attend part time or defer entry are good enough.

We have three girls, all summer born. The oldest was born in September and is doing well at school being one of the oldest in her class, the middle one is a June birthday and due to start next year (we wish to be able to keep her back for a year) and the youngest is born end of August. 
We&#039;re determined not to send the youngest when she is barely 4. I&#039;m German myself and find the situation in the UK extremely frustrating. I started school at 6 and turned 7 not long after. 

Yes, even in the UK you can keep your child back or &#039;defer&#039; entry as they say, but this effectively means your child loses part of their education in reception. That&#039;s not acceptable to me. You can send them part time but again, why should they lose out on part of their reception year when other children who are up to 12 months older enjoy it full time? Why not start the youngest ones in the following year if their parents think it&#039;s best?

It appears that noone has challenged the authorities on the actual law. Here are some snippets:
From the admissions guidelines
&quot;Children becoming 5 years old between 1st April and 31st August are of compulsory school age from the beginning of the term after 1st September.&quot;

and

&quot;the child does not have to attend school until the beginning of the term following their fifth birthday.&quot;

So at what stage did who decide that if a parent abides the law would the child have to lose out on the entire reception year?

In fact the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 states:
&quot;reception class means a class in which education is provided which is suitable to the requirements of pupils aged five and any pupils under or over that age whom it is expedient to educate with pupils of that age;&quot;
Note that a lot of local admission authorities seem to misquote this act, stating that children mainly have to be younger than 5. Clearly the law says no such thing. In fact it even explicitly allows for children older than 5... 

So if reception is mainly for five year olds, why do they expect us to send a 4 year old, or expect us to miss out reception entirely if we decide not to send our children until they reach compulsory school age?

I think we should get organised and mount a challenge. The law seems to allow (even subscribe) a later starting age than what is widely being practiced.

I think it&#039;s an absolute disgrace how things are handled at the moment. 
Someone please clarify this for me: on what basis can a local authority demand that a (summer born) child which starts school at compulsory school age, in line with the law, should miss out the entire reception year and go straight into year one? There must be some legal basis for this, but I have yet to find anything to that effect anywhere. 
They seem to make it up as they please if you ask me.

Stefan

stefan@muchosmedia.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, Kerrie&#8217;s advice is spot on. However I don&#8217;t think the apparent &#8216;allowances&#8217; of being able to attend part time or defer entry are good enough.</p>
<p>We have three girls, all summer born. The oldest was born in September and is doing well at school being one of the oldest in her class, the middle one is a June birthday and due to start next year (we wish to be able to keep her back for a year) and the youngest is born end of August.<br />
We&#8217;re determined not to send the youngest when she is barely 4. I&#8217;m German myself and find the situation in the UK extremely frustrating. I started school at 6 and turned 7 not long after. </p>
<p>Yes, even in the UK you can keep your child back or &#8216;defer&#8217; entry as they say, but this effectively means your child loses part of their education in reception. That&#8217;s not acceptable to me. You can send them part time but again, why should they lose out on part of their reception year when other children who are up to 12 months older enjoy it full time? Why not start the youngest ones in the following year if their parents think it&#8217;s best?</p>
<p>It appears that noone has challenged the authorities on the actual law. Here are some snippets:<br />
From the admissions guidelines<br />
&#8220;Children becoming 5 years old between 1st April and 31st August are of compulsory school age from the beginning of the term after 1st September.&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;the child does not have to attend school until the beginning of the term following their fifth birthday.&#8221;</p>
<p>So at what stage did who decide that if a parent abides the law would the child have to lose out on the entire reception year?</p>
<p>In fact the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 states:<br />
&#8220;reception class means a class in which education is provided which is suitable to the requirements of pupils aged five and any pupils under or over that age whom it is expedient to educate with pupils of that age;&#8221;<br />
Note that a lot of local admission authorities seem to misquote this act, stating that children mainly have to be younger than 5. Clearly the law says no such thing. In fact it even explicitly allows for children older than 5&#8230; </p>
<p>So if reception is mainly for five year olds, why do they expect us to send a 4 year old, or expect us to miss out reception entirely if we decide not to send our children until they reach compulsory school age?</p>
<p>I think we should get organised and mount a challenge. The law seems to allow (even subscribe) a later starting age than what is widely being practiced.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s an absolute disgrace how things are handled at the moment.<br />
Someone please clarify this for me: on what basis can a local authority demand that a (summer born) child which starts school at compulsory school age, in line with the law, should miss out the entire reception year and go straight into year one? There must be some legal basis for this, but I have yet to find anything to that effect anywhere.<br />
They seem to make it up as they please if you ask me.</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
<p><a href="mailto:stefan@muchosmedia.com">stefan@muchosmedia.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: helen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerrie, Hello, I am very interested in your comments about being able to delay entry to any time within the school year. Our local school says that I could only delay my son&#039;s place until January. After that they would give the place to someone on the waiting list and we would lose the space at the school.  Is the information you were given a national guideline or a local one? I have had no help at all from my local education authority...think my only solution is to move back to Scotland!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerrie, Hello, I am very interested in your comments about being able to delay entry to any time within the school year. Our local school says that I could only delay my son&#8217;s place until January. After that they would give the place to someone on the waiting list and we would lose the space at the school.  Is the information you were given a national guideline or a local one? I have had no help at all from my local education authority&#8230;think my only solution is to move back to Scotland!</p>
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		<title>By: mzdw4w</title>
		<link>http://www.parentsoutloud.com/school-starting-age/comment-page-1/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>mzdw4w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Kerrie your comment is relly useful I have forwarded it to In Craig the Schools Chief Adjudicator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Kerrie your comment is relly useful I have forwarded it to In Craig the Schools Chief Adjudicator</p>
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		<title>By: Kerrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if anybody is still interested in this issue - there haven&#039;t been comments for a while - but I have been doing lots of research on it lately as my daughter (born in August) is due to start Reception this September. Because I feel strongly that children in this country are being forced to start school too early, I have been doing lots of research into government School Admissions Codes etc etc and I have realized - and been told by the relevant authorities - that you do now have a statutory right as a parent to defer your child&#039;s entry to the Reception class of a school if they are below compulsory school age.  Therefore, if your child is under five when they are due to start Reception, once you have accepted an offer from your chosen school you can opt to defer your child&#039;s entry to ANYTIME WITHIN THAT ACADEMIC YEAR.  This is regardless of whether the school has more than one official intake.
Ideally, I would like my daughter to be able to start Reception when she is five (or even six) but I don&#039;t think this will be possible.  Like many other people, I don&#039;t really want her to have to start in Year 1, which she is entitled to do.  I just thought that someone should make it clear what our rights as parents are, according to government legislation which Admission Authorities (Local Education Authorities, usually) have a mandatory requirement to comply with.
I feel that too many Education Authorities and schools do not make this clear to parents, so that we end up sending our children to school before they&#039;re ready and, in many cases, feeling that our children are disadvantaged educationally as a result of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if anybody is still interested in this issue &#8211; there haven&#8217;t been comments for a while &#8211; but I have been doing lots of research on it lately as my daughter (born in August) is due to start Reception this September. Because I feel strongly that children in this country are being forced to start school too early, I have been doing lots of research into government School Admissions Codes etc etc and I have realized &#8211; and been told by the relevant authorities &#8211; that you do now have a statutory right as a parent to defer your child&#8217;s entry to the Reception class of a school if they are below compulsory school age.  Therefore, if your child is under five when they are due to start Reception, once you have accepted an offer from your chosen school you can opt to defer your child&#8217;s entry to ANYTIME WITHIN THAT ACADEMIC YEAR.  This is regardless of whether the school has more than one official intake.<br />
Ideally, I would like my daughter to be able to start Reception when she is five (or even six) but I don&#8217;t think this will be possible.  Like many other people, I don&#8217;t really want her to have to start in Year 1, which she is entitled to do.  I just thought that someone should make it clear what our rights as parents are, according to government legislation which Admission Authorities (Local Education Authorities, usually) have a mandatory requirement to comply with.<br />
I feel that too many Education Authorities and schools do not make this clear to parents, so that we end up sending our children to school before they&#8217;re ready and, in many cases, feeling that our children are disadvantaged educationally as a result of it.</p>
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